The old standby seems to apply here:
"What is meant is what was implied, rather than that which was spoken."
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the Witch of Endor
by Magnum in1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).
7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.
then his servants said to him: look!
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Make A Wish Trip to JW.ORG
by konceptual99 ina sick little girl goes to ny to meet caleb and sophia for her make a wish trip.. http://www.kmph.com/category/170789/video-landing-page?clipid=11142038&autostart=true.
i don't want to make too much comment as there is an innocent and poorly young girl at the heart of this but i do have to wonder what the purpose of the parents courting the media's attention over this really was..
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I agree with everyone above. I feel so bad for poor little Makenna . She seems so sweet, and yet she has this terrible affliction to deal with (being born into and indoctrinated by a mind-control cult). She also has devastating medical problems.
It does seem her parents are getting her the vey best medical care available, and that's a good thing. I am sure they cannot see the contradiction between praising the work of highly educated people at advanced research facilities and their own precious organization's continuous rant against acquiring such knowledge and contributing to that research. It seems they are "using the world to the full," and I am glad they are in this case, but still...
Less important, but still significant, is the fact that the parents quite willingly accepted the Make A Wish Foundation's generosity but barely mentioned any sort of thanks or gratitude to those who made it possible. This broadcast would have been a perfect opportunity to do so. At least they allowed the little girl to wear a Make A Wish t-shirt. Of course, they then dampened that little bit of acknowledgment and gratitude by pinning a big ol' "JW dot org" button on top. It's also highly unlikely they ever donated to Make A Wish or anything similar, because their masters (the Slave™ is such a misnomer!) strongly discourage doing so. Can't be helping any worldlies, you know.
With that attitude, I think the JWs should conscientiously decline any such gift from a "worldly" organization and make their own arrangements if a desperately ill child wants to visit Bethel. The Society could easily afford to do so in extreme cases like this. Might even give a "good witness," because you know they'd publicize it to the hilt. But I doubt that'll ever happen. They seem to be accumulating wealth simply for the sake of accumulating wealth.
I don't know if blood will be an issue in this case (and it might, given the prospect of brain surgery), but the same principle applies. Most JWs are quite willing, maybe even appreciative, to use whatever blood fractions are on the "approved" list, but adamantly refuse to donate blood. I would bet the majority don't know, and none of them care, that it takes thousands of blood donations to provide the fractions that even one JW patient might use. To me, this is selfish and hypocritical. You might even say greedy. I fervently hope Makenna doesn't wind up needing blood. But if she does, and her parents deny her that, I hope that gets publicized just as much as did their visit to the JW Mecca on someone else's dime.
I also thought the parents' shameless promotion of "JW dot org" was in poor taste. It was not enough to mention it several times and refer to it as "Jehovah's house." They had to pin a big button on Makenna's t-shirt and a pin on the dad's top as well.
All that said, the parents do seem to be genuinely loving and concerned for Makenna's welfare. And she is the precious innocent in all of this. Little does she know they would sacrifice her on the altar of the Watchtower if it came to that. They would be very sad, and they would wish it otherwise, but in the end, they would do it. Such is the tragedy of living under the delusion of "serving God" when one is actually under the thumb of a self-serving mind-control cult.
Regardless, I do wish Makenna and her family all the best. I know how devastating her illness must be on all her loved ones, and my heart goes out to them. What kind of a "loving God" would permit such needless tragedy?
To quote one wiser than I:
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
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Does anyone remember a district overseer Joe Slaiman?
by stuckinarut2 injoe slaiman and his wife jean were in the travelling work in australia throughout the 90's... ( i may have spelt the name incorrectly).
anyone remember them?
they were very well liked by many of the brothers and sisters.. i wonder what happened to him?
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Joe, I have to say it again. You are one very courageous man to publicly reveal your name, personal email address, and reasons for leaving the organization. I hope the Society leaves you be and doesn't feel it necessary to make an example of you after all these years.
If the Society would take this approach with all who wanted to leave as a matter of conscience, and let them do so with their honor and dignity intact, it would be a much healthier and more respectable organization. No shunning would be required, which in itself brings reproach on the organization and the god it claims to represent. It would still be a cult, but perhaps slightly less of one.
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I took a look at their website, and it seems they follow the teachings of Russell but reject everything Rutherford. Sort of like the original "Russelites," trapped in time as far as their beliefs. They are using updated technology, though, so they're not totally Luddites. -
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Does anyone remember a district overseer Joe Slaiman?
by stuckinarut2 injoe slaiman and his wife jean were in the travelling work in australia throughout the 90's... ( i may have spelt the name incorrectly).
anyone remember them?
they were very well liked by many of the brothers and sisters.. i wonder what happened to him?
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Hello Joe. I too had never heard of you before reading this thread, but I was impressed with all the compliments and warm thoughts of you and your wife that others posted.
I was also very pleased and surprised that you and your wife were allowed to leave the Society with your honor and dignity intact. I've never heard of that happening before. Congratulations, Sir! My hat's off to you.
I would very much like to read the document you sent to the Society. Only a person with overpowering courage and conviction could or would do such a thing, and I respect you for it. I will email you my private email address so you can send it to me at your convenience. Thank you so much for offering to do so. That was very generous.
I live in the USA, so it's unlikely that I will ever get the chance to meet you in person, but please accept my best wishes for your continued happiness in your new life in NZ.
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New LDC Meeting KH Video
by wifibandit inbeen away from the site for a few days...because i have been busy getting these!!!!!!
(pixel, thank you!
) they did not make it easy, plus technical difficulties.. for the main attraction:.
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Thank you so much for making this available. I believe one reason the Society is so big about not recording particular meetings, especially judicial committee meetings, is to maintain deniability. Their philosophy seems to be "if there's no proof, it didn't happen." -
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Those who have not defiled themselves with women
by Doug Mason ini am seeking a copy of this article:.
those who have not defiled themselves with women: revelation 14:4 and the book of enoch, daniel carl olson, catholic biblical quarterly, 59.3, 1997, pages 492-510, issn: 0008-7912.
if someone is able to locate a copy, you will find my email address at:.
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Happy to help. It was really Village Idiot's idea (now there's a misnomer!). It was just dumb luck that we have a Catholic college here and the ladies working in the library chose to be helpful and accommodating. Can you imagine the response if some stranger called the WT looking for a copy of an old Golden Age article? -
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Those who have not defiled themselves with women
by Doug Mason ini am seeking a copy of this article:.
those who have not defiled themselves with women: revelation 14:4 and the book of enoch, daniel carl olson, catholic biblical quarterly, 59.3, 1997, pages 492-510, issn: 0008-7912.
if someone is able to locate a copy, you will find my email address at:.
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Doug, I may be able to save you a trip. Saint Anselm College is located here in Manchester, NH, USA. I called the college library this morning, and they have this article available as a PDF scan. They said they were not allowed to send it via email, but that I was welcome to come over and download it to my computer while connected as a guest on their network. They were very pleasant to work with and the download worked without a hitch.
I will check the website you mentioned for your email address. You should have it shortly.
Take care,
Radar
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Send money to KH in lieu of flowers.
by Jack Miller in"in lieu of flowers send money to the kingdom hall"..... wow.... this young woman's jw servant husband was caught cheating on her again with another jw "sister", but when she told her husband she wanted to forgive him again and continue with her marriage, he told her he didn't want that.
he wanted her to simply move on with her life.here is how she moved on: she put on her wedding dress, got into her car in the garage and started it.
do you think finding her this way spoke louder than any suicide note?
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This is so sad it's beyond words. If she could have gotten the help and support she needed, maybe she could have "moved on" with her life and found someone worthy of her. I guess we never truly know what's going on in a person's mind. It's so hard to tell when someone is nearing the breaking point.
You can't directly blame the Society for this tragedy, but I have no doubt that years and years of being made to feel "you're not doing enough" and "you'll never be good enough" took their toll, and her marital situation was just the final straw. The Society's policy of always demanding more and more because the big J is never satisfied with your efforts is enough to wear anyone down. If a person already feels crushed by the Society's ever heavier load of guilt, it's easy to see how one more blow to their psyche can spell disaster. Unfortunately, this is not a particularly rare occurrence.
I wonder whose idea it was to solicit contributions to the KH in lieu of flowers. What a waste! You know it'll wind up going to the Society in one way or another. I realize flowers die quickly, but their beauty may have been of some comfort to her family, especially if they knew which ones she especially liked.
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2015/1/13/BOE!--Technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives!
by Atlantis in(from the source).
2015 january 13, boe.. .. re: technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives.
.. click the link by the little blue arrow and nothing else.. .. https://www.sendspace.com/file/0g0mr0.
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Thanks, Petra!
Did anyone here watch that test video yesterday? What was in it?
Just one nit-picking item: The Society prides itself on flawless writing with no typos and no errors in spelling, punctuation, grammar, etc. The letter refers to Apple's Mac operating system as "Apple Max." Tee hee!